Saturday, February 18, 2012

Christians and Atheists : why do peoples blame that Prophet Muhammad has copied the Qur’an from the Bible ?

ABOUT HEAVENS %26amp; SHAPE OF THE EARTH



First I would like to mention here what the bible says

About heavens and the earth;



Regarding ‘the Heavens’, the Bible says in Job, Ch. 26, Verse 11, that…‘The pillars of the Heaven will tremble.’

It is unscientific that the Bible says heaven have got pillars.



Not only do the Heavens have got pillars - Bible says in the first book of Samuel, Ch. No.2 Verses No.8, as well as the book of Job Ch. No.9, Verse No.6, and the book of Psalms Ch. No.75, Verse No.3,



that… ‘Even the earth have got pillars.’





But Qur’an says in Ch. 31, Verse No.10, that…



‘The Heavens are without any pillars - Don`t you see? Don’t you see the Heavens are without any pillars? -



Quran also mentioned the shape of the earth.The following verse contains a description of the earth’s

shape:



“And the earth, moreover,

hath He made egg shaped.”

[Al-Qur’an 79:30]



Remind you Sir Francis

Drake was the first person who proved that the

earth is spherical when he sailed around it in 1597.



who could have mentioned this in Quran 1400 years before when Prophet Mohammad was even an unlettered person ?Christians and Atheists : why do peoples blame that Prophet Muhammad has copied the Qur’an from the Bible ?
Your claim about Drake is false. Not only did the ancient Greeks and Indians know the Earth is a sphere by the third century BCE, but they had a very accurate idea what it's circumference was. No educated person since that time has thought the Earth was anything other than a sphere.
Well, to be honest, the Bible was written and compiled centuries before Muhammad was even born. Therefore, it can be implied that anything written regarding the creation etc, was copied from the Bible (Noah's ark is mentioned, Jesus is mentioned in the Koran... and so on), just like it is implied that the Bible was copied from the story of Gilgamesh. Unless, of course, if he was in isolation and Allah told him everything that is now in the Koran, or the stories were passed down etc.Christians and Atheists : why do peoples blame that Prophet Muhammad has copied the Qur’an from the Bible ?
The bible is not a science book..its of faith. Today is the day of salvation....accept jesus and live he is our onl;y hope.





God loves you.....God bless
Copied from the Bible you say?





Unlettered person? Quite definitely !



He got so much wrong !





For example, here are just a few things :





In Sura 2:241 Muhammad confuses the persons of Saul and Gideon.



In Sura 2:55-60 the Israelites were said to be "a scanty band" vastly inferior to the Egyptians. But in Exodus 1:7-10 the Egyptian king said to his people that the Israelites had become "more and mightier than we".



The Koran confused the sister of Moses (Miriam) with Mary, the mother of Jesus. In Hebrew, Miriam and Mary are the same names.



How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about the annunciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21. The Christian Bible clearly indicated one angel; "In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a town in Galilee called Nazareth," Luke 1:26



Muhammad taught that Mary the mother of Jesus was the sister of Aaron and Moses - who lived 1,500 years earlier.



Do you remember the evil Persian Haman who conspired to kill all the Jews during the time of Esther in the Babylonian captivity. In the Koran, Muhammad incorrectly taught that this wicked man Haman was the prime minister of the Egyptian Pharaoh. Throughout the Quran--Nimrod and Abraham, Haman and Moses, Mary and Aaron, the tower of Babel and Pharaoh were all pictured as living and working together. Moses and the flood are also incorrectly found together. Muhammad thought these all happened at the same time.



What about Noah's son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns.

Sura 7:136, 7:59 say Noah's flood took place in Moses' day. Did anyone tell Moses that?

Sura 14:37, says Abraham lived in the valley of Mecca. The Bible says he lived in Hebron, Israel. (Genesis 13:18, 23:2, 35:27)



Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days.



Suras 21:51-71; 37:97,98, says that Abraham was thrown into a fire [by Nimrod]. Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Qur'an who did not live at the same time. The Bible tells us Nimrod lived many centuries before Abraham.

Sura 6:74, says Abraham (called millata-Ibrahim in the Qur'an) father's name was Azar. The Bible says it was Terah (Genesis 11:27).



Sura 12:21ff, says the man who bought Joseph was named Aziz. The Bible says it was Potiphar.



Sura 37:100-112, says Abraham went to sacrifice Ishmael. The Bible says it was Issac.



Sura 5:73-75,116, Muhammad mistakenly thought the Christian Trinity was 3 gods: the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus).



Sura 28:8-9, says is was Pharaoh's wife who adopted Moses. The Bible says it was Pharaoh's daughter.



Sura 9:10, incorrectly says Zacharias could not speak for only three days.



Sura 20:87, 95, says the Jews made the golden calf in the wilderness at the suggestion of Samaritans. There were no Samaritans at that time.









Such simple mistakes !!!





Quite obviously wholly untrustworthy, and therefore not holy at all.Christians and Atheists : why do peoples blame that Prophet Muhammad has copied the Qur’an from the Bible ?
eggs are fatter on the bottom and thinner on top, earth is fatter in the middle.



bible sats he swtretches out the northern skies over empty space and hangs the earth on nothing, but when I point out factual inaccuracies in the Koran people say it's poetic and not meant to be scientifically accurate, which is also true of the bible.



You can't have it both ways, if by coincidence some of the poetic imagery in the bible or koran coincides with scientific knowledge you can't jump up and down and say this is proof the bible or koran is from God then when something contradicts scienitic knowledge you write it off as poetic imagery.



The Koran also says God made the earth in 6 days.
It's not egg shaped. Nor is the moon split. Nor does the sun set in or near a muddy spring. Nor are any of the so-called "scientific" contents of the Quran evidence that some god narrated anything to anyone.



The fact that the earth is a sphere was known long before your Muhammed was alive...and by people he would have interacted with.



Lying for Allah is still lying, you know.





@Asker, you've "answered" me with biased sites that are without credibility. I don't call that "well."

Drink the Kool-Aid if you want to, but don't expect rational people to follow along.

If you think the world waited for Drake to find out that the earth was a sphere, then you aren't exactly a credible source yourself.
what i think is

Christianity is like "a new version" of Judaism, because ppL were getting corrupted as Judaism was edited.

Same goes to Islam

they're not different religions. they appear different because man edited their holy books (except for the Quran, which god said(in the quran) he'll protect it himself from editing, that's why there were no more religions after Islam,excluding "invented" religions)

but they're all supposed to refer to one god,not Jesus but ...GOD o.0

and Prophet muhammad didn't copy anything

he didn't Improvise either -.-
Hmm. I think you're laboring under the delusion that we care about ANY holy books...
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  • Error in todays BIBLE regarding 'the Heavens'. For proof just see the sky right now.?

    Bible says in Job, Ch. 26, Verse 11, that鈥?#039;The pillars of the Heaven will tremble.'

    Qur'an says in Surah Luqman, Ch. 31, Verse No.10, that鈥?#039;The Heavens are without any pillars - Don`t you see? Don't you see the

    Heavens are without any pillars? -

    Bible says heaven have got pillars. Not only do the Heavens have got pillars - Bible says in the first book of Samuel, Ch. No.2 Verses

    No.8, as well as the book of Job Ch. No.9, Verse No.6, and the book of Psalms Ch. No.75, Verse No.3,

    that.. 'EVEN THE EARTH HAVE GOT PILLARS.'



    Don't you see the Heavens are without any pillars? PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES PLEASE.



    Todays Bible is rewritten by man thats why it has such errors. In Quran you wont be able to find single logical error or any kind of error because Quran is still unchanged word of God since 1400 years.



    Please come to the TRUE WORD OF GOD Qur'an.

    Remember

    There is no god but Allah, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the last messenger of Allah.Error in todays BIBLE regarding 'the Heavens'. For proof just see the sky right now.?
    Please christians see the clear facts, why are you not accepting it I dont know what is going on in your mind. Just become Nutral then think what brother wanted to tell you through facts, dont see others see your intellegence what it says, cant you see the sky or heaven is without pillars then what is with you guys, believing wronge statements in Rewritten Bible, See the real word of God Quran which got no errors.

    Ok what about the earth Does it got Pillars. Where, i cant see them if you are watching it then it is not wise with your faith, you are just making fun of your believes, please i dont want to harm your feelings but i am sad becasue of your intention towards Islam. You are just making yourself not to belief that 2+2=4, but you prefer to say 5 or 3 instead of 4. Please be logical and error free.



    Please see the truth.



    Please come to the TRUE WORD OF GOD Qur'an.

    Remember

    There is no god but Allah, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the last messenger of Allah.
    Maybe the error is in how your read it? I don't think "The Heavens" equals "The Sky Over The Earth"



    Best of luck with your faith, but picking apart the Bible might not be the best way to promote the Qur'an.Error in todays BIBLE regarding 'the Heavens'. For proof just see the sky right now.?
    So, what you are saying is the sky outside, where the clouds and rain, snow and dust fall from the sky outside, the one I see outside of my window, that is heaven?



    I dont see any pillars. I dont see any virgins in the sky either, so that proves your theory incorrect.



    Why would anyone beleive the bullshit in the Quran? Isnt your beloved prophet Mohommed sort of like our Jesus? There is no Allah, but God.



    It has also been proven that the word of God -the bible, as to not confuse you- is unchanged since it was originally written. The bible has been translated into almost all languages, and it has almost reached all nations and all people. You are allowed to make your own decisions, and if you decide to follow the false Quran, thats your mistake.
    Finding an error in the bible is about as difficult as finding a grain of sand on a beach.Error in todays BIBLE regarding 'the Heavens'. For proof just see the sky right now.?
    There are 3 heavens:



    The first heaven is where the eagles fly (Lamentations 4:19) and where the clouds are (1Kings 18:45).



    The second heaven is where the stars are (Isaiah 13:10).



    There is the third heaven where the throne of God is (Acts 7:49), beyond the human space time continuum.



    Referring to the throne of God, Paul, in vision, saw someon caught up to the third heaven (2 Corinthians 12:2).
    lmao... Like, the 'five pillars of Islam'??

    Sure Heaven has pillars hon... one definition of 'pillar' is

    'One who occupies a central or responsible position: a pillar of the state.'

    I would think that God and Jesus would fill that definition :)

    Really, come on now....
    yes you are right..actually your message is correct..but you need to have a vision to see all this...not blind for sight ..but blind for the truth which most people are....and they can't see the true facts of ISLAM

    Beloved Christians, explain me about this, regarding the Bible.?

    Here are some few of the many scientific errors in the bible which I've found out.



    ASTRONOMY

    1. God created the Heavens and the Earth in six 24-hour-days.

    Book of Genesis, 1st Ch., it is mentioned - It says鈥?鈥楢lmighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days...' and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to 24 hour days.



    2. Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,鈥︹€楲ight was created on the first day.鈥?enesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19鈥?鈥楾he cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day鈥? How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day?



    3. Bible says Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses 9 to 13鈥?鈥楨arth was created on the 3rd day. How can you have a night and day without the earth ? The day depends upon the rotation of the Earth Without the earth created, how can you have a night and day?



    4. Genesis, Ch. No. 1 Verses 9 to 13 says鈥?鈥楨arth was created on the third day.鈥? Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses 14 to 19 says鈥︹€楾he Sun and the Moon were created on the fourth day.鈥?Today science tells us鈥?鈥楨arth is part of the parent body鈥?the sun.鈥?br>


    5. the Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No. 11 to 13鈥︹€楾he vegetation, the herbs the shrubs, the trees - they were created on the 3rd day And the Sun, Genesis, Ch. No. 1, Verses. 14 to 19, was created on the 4th day.How can the vegetation come into existence without sunlight, and how can they survive without sunlight ?



    6. Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses No.16, that鈥︹€楪od created two lights the greater light, the Sun to rule the day, and the lesser light the Moon, to rule the night. The actual translation, if you go to the Hebrew text, it is 鈥榣amps鈥欌€︹€楲amps having lights of its own.鈥?And that you will come to know better, if you read both the Verses 鈥?Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse. 16, as well as 17. Verse No.17 says鈥︹€楢nd Almighty God placed them in the firmament, to give light to the earth鈥? To give light to the earth.鈥?Indicating, that Sun and the Moon has its own light



    7. It is mentioned in the Bible, in the book of Hebrews, Ch. No.1 Verses No.10 and 11, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.102, Verse No.25 and 26, that鈥︹€楢lmighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, and they will perish.鈥?Exactly opposite is mentioned in the book of Ecclesiastics, Ch. No.1, Verse No.4, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.78, Verse No.69, that鈥?鈥楾he earth will abide forever.鈥?br>


    8. Job, Ch. 26, Verse 11, that鈥︹€楾he pillars of the Heaven will tremble.'. Well, I can't see a pillar over there. Or am I blind?



    9. Not only do the Heavens have got pillars - Bible says in the first book of Samuel, Ch. No.2 Verses No.8, as well as the book of Job Ch. No.9, Verse No.6, and the book of Psalms Ch. No.75, Verse No.3, that鈥?鈥楨ven the earth have got pillars.鈥?br>


    DIET AND NUETRITION

    10. The bible says all fruits are edible (including the poisonous ones). 鈥楪od has given you all the herbs bearing seeds, the trees bearing fruits - those that bear seed, as meat for you.鈥?New International Version says鈥?鈥楾he seed bearing plants, and the trees bearing fruits bearing seeds are food for you, all of them.鈥?br>


    HYDROLOGY

    11. Bible says the scientific law of refraction does not exist, before Noah. In Genesis, Ch. No.9, Verse No.13 to 17, that鈥?鈥楢fter God, at the time of Noah submerged the world by flood, and after the flood鈥?subsided, He said鈥?鈥業 put up a rainbow in the sky as a promise to the humankind never to submerge the world again, by water.



    IMMUNIZATION

    12. Book of Leveticus, Ch. No.14, Verse No.49 to 53 - it gives a novel way for disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy鈥? disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy. It says that鈥?鈥楾ake two birds, kill one bird, take wood, scale it - and the other living bird, dip it in water鈥?and under running water - later on sprinkle the house 7 times with it. Sprinkle the house with blood to disinfect against plague of leprosy???!!!!!!



    BIOLOGY

    13. Leveticus, Ch. No.12, Verse No.1 to 5, and we know medically, that after a mother gives birth to a child, the post-partal period, it is unhygienic. To say it is 鈥榰nclean鈥? Religiously - I have got no objection. But Leviticus, Ch. No.12 Verse No.1 to 5, says that鈥?鈥楢fter a woman gives birth to a male child, she will be unclean for 7 days, and the period of uncleanliness will continue for 33 days more. It she give birth to a female child, she will be unclean for two weeks, and the period of uncleanliness will continue for 66 days. In short, if a woman gives birth to a male child鈥?鈥榓 son鈥? she is unclean for 40 days. If she gives birth to a female child鈥?鈥榓 daughter鈥? she is unclean for 80 days.



    BITTER WATER TEST FOR ADULTRY

    14. Book of Numbers, Ch. no.5 Verse No..11 to 31. I鈥檒l just say in brief. It says that鈥?鈥楾he priest should take holy water in a vessel, take dust from the floor, and put it into the vessel - And that is the bitter water 鈥楢nd after cursing it, give it to the woman And if the woman has committed adulterBeloved Christians, explain me about this, regarding the Bible.?
    everyone knows the bible is a lie....... don't they
    Mankind had made a day 24 hrs but no one knows what God's idea of a day is.Beloved Christians, explain me about this, regarding the Bible.?
    yes...your question is?



    sorry. God's timing is different than ours 7 days could very well be a million years, we just don't know that. You have to understand that the Bible was written by men. You also have to understand it has been translated at least 3 million times all by different people that may or may not have copied ALL the information correctly. Human error sucks.



    also, most contradictions are between Old and New Testaments - which makes perfect sense seeing that the New Testament goes according to Jesus' plan.
    Since you aren't really interested in answers, and since each question would require some details, I'll just leave you to your mocking attitude.



    Understand, while God will honor any honest question, He detests questions asked out of a rebellious heart!Beloved Christians, explain me about this, regarding the Bible.?
    you got to be kidding me, right? You want a scientific explanation? Why? you have already declared them "scientific errors." There is no point!
    a day is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day
    Hmmm. Looks like a cut and paste from a website. Go to carm.org they have a whole page of answers to apparent bible contradictions
    I wasn't going to respond to this but you really crack me up---please give the scripture reference you refer to for 24 hour days. I haven't found it and I have looked through Genesis for 18 years.



    But the thing that made me laugh out loud had to do with the topic "Immunizations." I am an immunization Consultant and I can tell you that you are the most ill-informed person I have talked to in my entire career. And believe me, I have received awards for my knowledge. Where in the world did you find the "out of thin air theology for the theory you espoused?" Sorry, you really don't have a clue do you? That scripture has nothing to do with IMMUNIZATIONS! What a zing.....
    What sort of condescending idiot are you ?



    "Beloved Christians, explain me about this, " you can't even write properly!



    I believe that unless you get yourself a good Christian education, you are

    bound for the furnace after you confess that Jesus is LORD !



    May God bless you as you study His Word



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    To answer the

    first one. Yes it speaks of a 24 hour period. But that is mans time. God is beyond time. God controls time. So a 1000yrs could be 1 day, in gods domain.

    You know what? You need to go back re-read it, s-l-o-w-l-y, To understand what is going on. Man you do have a whole lot of misunderstanding ,of everything you read.

    Of course if you look for contridctions, you are going to find them. Because that is what you are looking for.

    Of course science, isn't going to agree with the bible. because the bible was wrote from a spiritual point of veiw

    But science is also proving the people and cities did exist during the time period, that bible says.

    So science is contridicting its self. because it makes science look like a fool.

    China grap north korea and japan grap south korea?

    Why sichuan earthquake occur?



    JUST BEFORE AN EARTHQUAKE OCCUR, THE WATER IN THE WELL WILL EITHER GO UP OR GO DOWN VERY FAST.



    HENCE, THE WATER TABLE IS DISTURED.



    THIS REMIND ME OF THE TOILET FLUSH SYSTEM WHEREBY YOU HAVE TO PRESS PEDAL DOWN BEFORE THE WATER IN THE TANK START TO SINK.



    DOES THE EARTH HAS THIS INVISIBLE PEDAL?



    WHO TOUCH THIS PEDAL?



    NOW I COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THE WATER START TO SINK IT MEAN THERE ARE HOLES OR LOOPHOLES IN THE EARTH CRUST OR SOMETHING LIKE AIRPORES OF HUMANBODY.



    THIS LOOPHOLES AROUND THE EARTHCRUST HELP THE WARTER TO ESCAPE WITHOUT VISIBILITY.



    HENCE, UNDERROUND STREAM PLAY AN IMPORANT ROLE WHEREBY WATER EITHER GO UP OR GO DOWN.



    SECONDLY, FOR THE WHOLE OF SICHUAN PROVINCE TO SHAKE THEN IT MEAN THAT THERE IS A GIANT INVISIBLE POLE FROM THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH TO THE CENTRE OF THE EARTH CORE.



    YOU CAN CALL IT A TWISTER OR TORNADOR.



    HENCE, UNDERGROUND CURRENT NOT VISIBLE TO HUMANEAR OR EYES IS PLAYING SOME GAMES.



    GOD HAS CREATED ANIMAL WITH SPECIAL GIFT TO ASSIST MANKIND IN THEIR DAILY LIFE.



    ANIMALS CAN HEAR MINUTE VIBRATION THAT HUMAN EAR CANNOT HEAR IT BECAUSE THE DECIBEL IS SUB-ZERO?



    WE HAVE THE GULF STREAM THE TRAVEL FROM ATLANTIC OCEAN TO THE INDIAN OCEAN AND LATER TO THE PACIFIC OCEAN AND LATER RETURN BACK TO THE INDIAN OCEAN AND SETTLE DOWN IN THE ATLANTIC OCEAN.



    HENCE, EARTH ALSO HAS IT GULF STREAM OR UNDEREARTH CURRENT.



    RUSSIA DETONATED THE WORLD LARGEST NUCLEAR BOMB WEIGHT ABOUT 100MEGATON OR 100 HYDROGEN BOMB COMBINE TOGETHER?



    THIS 100 MEGATON BOMB CAND KILL 100,000,000 PEOPLE IN ONE HOUR.



    YOU ONLY NEED 60 OF THIS BOMBS TO KILL 6,000,000,000 MANKIND.



    WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WHEN THE RUSSIA DETONED THIS NOVAYA ZEMLYA HYDROGEN BOMB WITH A WEIGHT OF 100 MEGATON.



    THE SHOCK WAVE TRAVEL AROUND THE WORLD THREE TIME.



    THIS CIRCUIT COULD PROVOKE EARTHQUAKE IN ANY NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD.



    IT IS SOMETHING LIKE CHINESE ACUPUNCTURE ON THE BODY.



    THIS UNDEREARTH CURRENT CAN BE CALLED ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVE THAT MORE STRONGER THE GULF STREAM.



    FOR THE WHOLE OF SICHUAN PROVINCE TO SHAKE FOR FEW MINUTES THEN IT MEAN THE UNDERGROUND ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCE IS VERY STRONG AND WE PEOPLE LOOK LIKE SMALL SHIP ON AN OCEAN OF HAWAII 5 O WAVE.



    BY THE WAY, HOW MANY PILLARS ARE THERE UNDER THE EARTH?



    THE SOLOMON TEMPLE HAS 12 FOUNDATION STONES.



    THE BIBLE MENTION ABOUT THE 24 ELDERS.



    DOES THE EARTH HAS 24 PILLARS TO SUPPORT THE EARTH CRUST?



    GOD ASK JOB DO YOU KNOW WHAT HOLD THE EARTH CRUST FROM FALLING DOWN?



    YOU MUST REMEMBER THAT AT THE CENTRE OF THE EARTHCORE IS ALL ABOUT LIQUID NOT STEEL OR IRON BARS.



    THE DENSITY OF THIS LIQUID COULD BE LIKE BLACKHOLE.



    IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SICHUAN IS PART OF A PILLAR THAT SUPPORT THE EARTH CRUST FROM FALLING DOWN.



    NOW THAT WE KNOW THE SICHUAN PILLAR THEN THERE COULD BE MORE PILLARS OF SIMILAR STRENGHT AROUND THE EARTH.



    ONCE WE KNOW THE PILLARS AND THEIR LOCATION, WE COULD PREDICT THE NEXT EARTHQUAKE GOING TO TAKE PLACE.



    IF IS FUNNY THAT EARTHQUAKE FROM JAPAN TRAVEL TO TAIWAN, PHILIPPINE, JAVA AND SUMATRA WITHOUT ANYTHING HAPPENING OR IT HAPPEN.



    WHY IT DOES NOT HAPPEN AND WHY IT HAPPEN.



    WHAT CONTRIBUTE IT TO HAPPEN AND WHAT CONTRIBUTE IT NOT TO HAPPEN.



    IS THERE A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SICHUAN AND THE 88 CONSTELLATIONS?



    WHICH STAR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SICHUAN.



    CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHICH STAR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SICHUAN.



    MAYBE, WE CAN SOLVE THE MYSTERY.



    THE NEXT EARTHQUAKE IN CHINA CAN BE AVOIDED AND MANY LIVES SAVED BY MASSIVE MIGRATION TO OTHER PRIVINCE WITHIN 24 HOURS.



    WHEN SIRUS STAR RISE, THERE IS FLOODING IN THE RIVER NILE OF EGYPT.



    ON JUNE 21, SIRUS RISE AND FLOODING TAKE PLACE IN RIVER NILE.



    SO, JUNE 21, CANIS MAJOR BELONG TO EGYPTIAN, GREEK AND INDIA?



    HENCE WHICH STAR RISE OVER SICHUAN THAT CAUSE SICHUAN EARTHQUAKE TO EXPLODED THAT KILLLED 22,000 PEOPLE WITHIN FEW MINUTES.



    FROM MY READING ON CHINA'S ASTRONOMY, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT POWER STRUGGLE WILL TAKE PLACE IN CHINA BETWEEN THE NORTHERN CHINESE AND SOUTHERN CHINESE.



    THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA IS CONTROL BY THE SOUTHERN CHINESE.



    SO, IT LOOK LIKE THE NORTHERN CHINESE WILL GRAP POWER FROM THE SOUTHERN CHINESE.



    ON 4TH, JUNE, 2008 THERE COULD BE POWER STRUGGLE IN THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA?



    FORMER PRIME MINISTER LI PENG COULD BECOME THE NEW PRESIDENT OF CHINA IF THIS THEORY WORK.



    FORMER PRIME MINISTER LI PENG WAS BORN IN SICHUAN PROVINCE IN 1928?



    Sichuan Province, 1928) Chinese; Acting Premier 1987 – 9, Premier 1989 – 98Li Peng was born in Sichuan in south-west China in 1928.



    THERE IS GOING TO BE MANY FIREWSORK IN SICHUAN FROM LI PENG AND IN BEIJING, CHINA.



    The Tang Dynasty (Chinese: 唐朝; pinyin: Táng Cháo; Middle Chinese: dhɑng[1]) (18 June 618–4 June 907) was an imperial dynasty of China preceded by the Sui Dynasty and followed by the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Period. It was founded by the Li (李) family, who seized power during the decline and collapse of the Sui Empire.



    IS IT POSSIBLE FOR 200,000,000 CHINESE PEOPLE TO DEMONSTRATE AGAINST THE BEIJING GOVERNMENT SINCE MAO DID HIS LONG MARCH.



    THE BIBLE SAID THAT CHINA WILL SEND 200,000,000 SOLDIERS TO IRAQ.



    THE 4 WORLD EMPIRES AS MENTION IN THE BOOK OF DANIEL CHAPTER 7 OF THE BIBLE IS THE ARAB EMPIRE, RUSSIAN EMPIRE, CHINESE EMPIRE, AND EUROPEAN EMPIRE.



    THE CHINESE INVASION OF THE MIDDLE EAST WILL BE LED BY FORMER PRIME MINISTER LI PENG.



    LI PENG IS THE REINCARNATION OF GENGHIS KHAN.



    GENGHIS KHAN KILLED ABOUT 35,000,000 PEOPLE IN 1,200 AD.



    CHINA WILL KILL 2,000,000,000 PEOPLE OR ONE-THIRD OF MANKIND AS MENTION THE BOOK OF REVEALATION.



    CHINA NOW HAS ENOUGHT HYDROGEN BOMBS TO KILL 2 BILLION PEOPLE.



    ONE HYDROGEN BOMB IS EQUAL TO 50 ATOM BOMB OR ONE ATOM BOMB CAN KILL 100,000 PEOPLE.





    100.000 DEAD PEOPLE

    X 50 ATOM BOMBS

    =========

    5,000,000 DEAD PEOPLE

    =========





    ONE HYDROGEN BOMB CAN KILL 5,000,000 PEOPLE?



    6,000,000,000 WORLD POPULATION

    DIVIDE 5,000,000 DEAD PEOPLE

    =====================================

    1,200 HYDROGEN BOMBS

    =====================================





    HENCE, CHINA NEED 1,200 HYDRODGEN BOMB TO KILL ALL 6,000,000,000 PEOPLE.



    2,000,000,000 OR ONE THIRD OF MANKIND

    DIVIDE 5,000,000 DEAD PEOPLE

    ======================================…

    400 HYDROGEN BOMBS

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    100 HYDROGEN BOMBS FOR AMERICA, 100 HYDROGEN BOMBS FOR EUROPE, 100 HYDROGEN BOMBS FOR RUSSIA AND 100 HYDROGEN BOMBS FOR THIRD WORLD.



    SO IT LOOK LIKE CHINA NOW HAS ABOUT 400 HYROGEN BOMBS AND 400 ICBM MISSILE SYSTEM TO KILL 2 BILLION PEOPLE.



    WE MUST REMEMBER THAT AMERICA HAS 1,200 HYDROGEN BOMBS OR MORE.



    WE MUST REMEMBE THAT RUSSIA HAS 1,200 HYDROGEN BOMBS OR MORE.



    BRITAIN AND FRANCE COMBINE HAS ABOUT 400 HYDROGEN BOMBS WHICH ARE EQUAL TO CHINA IN NUCLEAR WEAPONS?



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    Pillar"s of the earth mini series?

    is it anything like the book??Pillar"s of the earth mini series?
    so far they are keeping it very close to the book which surprised me

    but I always find Hollywood has to stretch things out

    but it is good



    I loved the book %26amp; I have just started to read World without End



    cheers

    The dangers of interpreting the Bible too literally?

    St. Augustine warns about taking the Bible too literally, he took the view that the Biblical text should not be interpreted as properly literal, but rather as metaphorical, if it contradicts what we know from science and our God-given reason, particularly when the Scripture in question is a book of poetry and songs, not a book of instructions or history; while each passage of Scripture has a literal sense, this "literal sense" does not always mean that the Scriptures are mere history; at times they are rather an extended metaphor; the writers of the Scripture wrote from the perspective of the terrestrial world...



    An example of taking the Bible too literally is the Flat-earthers and the Flat Earth Society...



    "If the Bible said it's flat, then it must be flat..." is an answer I got from a Flat-earther, but I personally think Flat-earthers misinterpreted and took the Bible too literally...



    Samuel Rowbotham supported the notion of a flat Earth, based on literal interpretation of certain biblical passages. After Rowbotham's death in 1884, his followers established the Universal Zetetic Society. In 1956, Samuel Shenton took over the Universal Zetetic Society, which would later become the Flat Earth Society. The Flat Earth Society took the position that the Apollo Moon landings were a hoax, because the photos of Earth taken from Apollo 8 was spherical and not flat. The Flat Earth Society still exists today under president Daniel Shenton...



    These are Bible references that the Flat Earth Society think supports the notion of a flat Earth, because if taken literally, according to Flat-earthers, the Bible says the Earth is a flat circle, the Earth has ends, edges and four corners, the Bible tells about a tree so high that it was visible from the ends of the Earth, the Earth is set on pillars and cannot move, I personally think Flat-earthers misinterpreted and took the Bible too literally, what do you think?



    Isaiah 40:22: He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth...

    Isaiah 11:12: ...the four quarters of the earth.

    Revelation 7:1: ...I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth...

    Job 38:13: ...that it might take the earth by the edges...

    Jeremiah 16:19: ...the nations will come from the ends of the earth...

    Daniel 4:11: The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth.

    Psalm 93:1 and Psalm 96:10: ...the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved...

    Psalm 104:5: He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.

    Job 9:6: He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble.

    Job 38:4: "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.

    Job 37:3: He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.

    Job 28:24: for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.

    1 Samuel 2:8: For the foundations of the earth are the LORD's; upon them he has set the world.



    Sources:



    Flat Earth Society - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society

    Flat Earth - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

    The Flat-Earth Bible - http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm

    Augustine of Hippo - Natural knowledge and biblical interpretation - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Augustine#Natural_knowledge_and_biblical_interpretationThe dangers of interpreting the Bible too literally?
    That people actually BELIEVE that the earth is flat in spite of all the evidence to the contrary is beyond me! Are they saying that all of the satellite pictures from space are fake?



    The rule of thumb I generally follow in interpreting Scripture is that, if a Scripture contains a certain degree of absurdity when taken literally that becomes clear when taken figuratively, I interpret it figuratively.
    We might accidentally learn the truth and begin rejecting the Greek philosophy that has infested Christianity for 2,000 years.The dangers of interpreting the Bible too literally?
    Taking the Bible literally is a disgrace to science and logic.
    Interesting.



    *Didn't read a word of the question.*The dangers of interpreting the Bible too literally?
    Taking the Bible too literally is much safer than taking it too loosely.



    Did you have a question?
    Don't forget that there is more than one bible out there. One I would recomend is the devel's bible. You can purchase one at amazon.com
    Becoming a dumb ***, wasting your only life trying to get into Heaven, etc.
    And what are the dangers may I ask....whether you think the world is a globe or flat with four corners ...still we believe in NEWS (North East West South)...the news from four corners of this world
    I agree with you, it's the same thing with the Quran. Some people take it too literally and twist the words. The holy books were made in another time period and were not meant to be taken in the 21st century circumstance.
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  • How come muhammad knew that mountain has a function as stake and reduce earth quack due to continental drift?

    Have We not made the earth a resting place?And the mountains as stakes? (78:6-7)



    He created the heavens without pillars that you see and has cast into the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with you, and dispersed therein from every creature. And We sent down rain from the sky and made grow therein [plants] of every noble kind.(31:10)How come muhammad knew that mountain has a function as stake and reduce earth quack due to continental drift?
    The Quran has scientific value if you're a retard.
    He said the mountains prevents the earth from shaking. Its actually the earth's shaking that creates mountainsHow come muhammad knew that mountain has a function as stake and reduce earth quack due to continental drift?
    How come Hercules knew that Pegassus could fart far more further than mahomet did when he was F$^T** his camel?
    The correct bits were ripped off from the Bible, the wrong bits were made up by Muhammad.How come muhammad knew that mountain has a function as stake and reduce earth quack due to continental drift?
    I have never heard the earth quack. I can't speak for Muhammad.
    quack quack quack said mr. ducky
    no he didn't.
    Well now we know you are just a troll.
    The same phrase "he set the mountains firmly" can also be seen in 13:3, 16:15, 27:61, 31:10, 41:10.

    It's like they don't know mountains are formed from the Earth moving constantly in that area. It's from tectonic plate collisions, and more. Many mountains are formed from volcanoes. Japan has many mountains, and it recently had a huge earthquake, and it's one of the most active earthquake prone areas in the world. Hawaii was created from moving mountains rising out of the sea, and forming volcanoes. They have earthquakes there all the time. So this is actually an error in the Quran.

    "A mountain is usually produced by the movement of lithospheric plates, either orogenic movement or epeirogenic movement."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain#Ge…

    I've seen the new claims that say the Qur'an prophecied scientific discoveries that were not known until modern times. However they all are either way too vague to be a real scientific claim because they could have been talking about something else, or it actually was known in those times.

    If Muhammud really had scientific evidence from the future from an omniscient deity, he wouldn't have made so many of the so called scientific claims vague, or he wouldn’t have made it so most of the time they are talking about another subject instead of talking about the subject of the science claim letting us know they are trying to prove it. Also he wouldn’t have made phrases that are easy to interpret as something else, and have the possibility that it was just a Muslim searching through the pages for something that could be interpreted in such a way as to be in line with the science.

    Since according to the Qur'an Allah is omniscient, if he actually wanted to prove something he could say, "On this date, in this country, this will be discovered, and here is the many details about that certain thing." One might say, "but it would be discovered earlier then the prophecy because he described it." but if Allah is omniscient he would know a way to leave out the details on how to discover it, and if it were discovered early, he could just say it was on that date, since his omniscience would enable him to know the date something was discovered if he described it in a certain way.

    The ones I have seen are what is called postdiction.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postdiction

    Also even if it were proven that the Qur'an made science claims that the society at the time didn't know, that wouldn't automatically prove it was from a magical deity. Most astronomers today agree there most likely is life beyond our planet. I don't know if they have the technology to visit Earth, but it's at least as possible as saying a magical man that made the universe did it. Astronomers have said there are more stars out there than grains of sand than every beach on the Earth, and many of them have solar systems just like ours, and at this very moment they are in the middle of discovering many Earth like planets. Consider that life with our present technology evolved after the universe is 13.7 billion years old. Also consider how much our technology has advanced in the past few centuries. Today's smart phones would be considered witch craft a couple centuries ago. There could be life out there which has technology a billion years ahead of us.

    It is very easy to make a prophecy fulfilled. Its trying to match up words with the countless events in history. This is trying to match up a big book of words with the countless scientific discoveries that have happened in the last few centuries. Some people can also make a prophecy vague, or say words in a way that are open to interpretation. Someone can also say something they thought was probably going to happen. They can get away with it that way. On top of that, coincidences happen. There wouldn't be a way to tell if the prophecy fulfilling event was not just a very lucky coincidence. Another way is if the person knew the prophecy beforehand and intentionally made it happen. All of these things are similar to many science claims by different religions.

    Feel free to test me on this, I don't have time to go through every single one of those claims because there were over a hundred, but if they were all evidence then someone should be able to pick out the 5 best that definitely are evidence. You can list what you think are the 5 best and I can explain them if you want to email me.

    Christians, what do you think of this comment to an evolution video?

    Can you disprove this? "I think the Bible is compatible with science. "



    No its not science proves the bible wrong.

    No 6000 year old earth, no ark ride for starters (The thing most xtians accept)



    Let alone,

    plate shaped earth

    earth doesnt move

    earth sits on 4 pillars

    and the sun goes around the earth.



    Your religion has no evidence its correct, the Theory of Evolution has more? evidence than anything else in existance!Christians, what do you think of this comment to an evolution video?
    Consider this



    Creation in the 21st Century “Caught in the Act”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOdByKKvV… (Part 1)



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CQb7tS-E… (Part 2)



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfN3UfoDZ… (Part 3)



    Creation In The 21st Century -- From Where did these Layers ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZyoXQJ5A…



    Creation in the 21st Century - Overwhelming Evidence 1 of 3

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o226umqLd…

    Creation in the 21st Century - Overwhelming Evidence 2 of 3

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-4O7AOYL…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXLFFduC5…



    Evolution: Against All Odds!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS9o9cbQD…



    Creation In The 21st Century - Palace of Dinosaurs Part 2 (1 of 3)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeK239U2f…



    Creation in the 21st Century - Explain God

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqwP3ZuZq…Christians, what do you think of this comment to an evolution video?
    I think you misunderstood.



    He's saying religion can be changed to accommodate for new scientific discoveries. Really now, I don't care how they believe in evolution, if they wanna say God guided it, then whatever, so long as they stop interfering with actual science class.Christians, what do you think of this comment to an evolution video?
    What video? Any link? Who's quote is that?

    Which Christians say the earth is only 6,000 years old? (it is much older)



    Your comments leaves more questions unanswered.

    Are Physicists wrong? Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble?

    Creationists, what does the Earth rest on?Are Physicists wrong? Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble?
    Never forget that the bible is a book of myths and fairy tales.

    Nothing more...
    Trust me. Some ******* book that doesn't make any sense won't outsmart any of the top scientists on our planet. They make miracles, not your ******* book.Are Physicists wrong? Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble?
    A vasty bed of Fluff brand marshmallow spread. Oooh, experience the gooey goodness thereof.
    I have a minor in Physics, but I took enough English to know a metaphor when I see one.Are Physicists wrong? Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble?
    It is Turtles all the way down damn it!
    Um, I'm going to have to say 4 elephants balanced on the back of 1 very large turtle, the Great A'Tuin.
    People also still say that the sun "rises." It is called an expression.



    Anyways, if you want to get technical, the Earth used to be (according to science) one connected land mass called Pangea (which seems strangely familiar considering God says, "Let the waters be gathered together in one place, and let dry land appear).



    This land mass was the only "land" and the rest was surrounded by the ocean/earth's core. So one could argue (with scientific backing) that the "land" of the Earth used to be fairly flat (as in the only inhabitable region) and the foundation of the land was the Earth's core.



    But as I said, I think this is a very figurative phrase you quote.
    Only God knows the answer!
    I suddenly have a hankering for some French Toast!
    Do I even have to mention that this is imagery not to be taken literally? Did you bother to read any other part of the chapter?
    If you take the Bible literally and interpret this to mean that we're on giant Doric columns or something I don't know what to tell you. I have seen people who really are this delusional but they're very rare and special. Extremely special.
    I went to the four corners of the earth to find out. I battled heat and bone-chilling cold. It seemed like forever. Finally I found out there is nothing but a giant hand down there. Metaphors?
    It rests on nothing actually. But did you know that angels push the Earth around the Sun? Oops, I mean gravity holds it in orbit. That was a Richard Feynman joke.
    It's precariously balanced on a single pillar where it could tip in any direct.

    When you think about it, that would explain a great many things in this world.





    And I'm sorry, but did you say that the bible is not a book? How are you defining the word "book"?
    Job 9:6 says Why don't you got a job yourself and stop asking stupendous questions.. Hehe just jokin'!!

    Christians, don't you agree that Galileo is intelligent for asserting that the Earth revolves around the sun?

    and the earth is not the center of the universe? contrary to what the bible say that the earth is supported by pillars and is fixed and can not be moved and it is the sun that moves.



    Unfortunately Galileo was procecuted in the 17 century for his belief.Christians, don't you agree that Galileo is intelligent for asserting that the Earth revolves around the sun?
    Don't you agree that Christians now are just as unwilling to accept science that conflicts with dogma as they were then?
    I'm surprised he wasn't stoned to death.Christians, don't you agree that Galileo is intelligent for asserting that the Earth revolves around the sun?
    Chrisytians belive earth revolves around the sun....



    Get a life and please stop believing everything you hear from liberal TV media...

    and foolish atheist propoganda here on R %26amp; S
    Yes, I do agree. Galileo was a brilliant man.

    As far as I know, The Bible does NOT claim that the Earth is the center of the Universe.



    21 - 17 = 4 centuries of difference

    4 centuries of scientific advancement



    Don't you agree that no one knew in the 17th century what we know now?

    Don't you agree that Christians in 2007 ought not be blamed for what was done to Galileo in the 17th century?Christians, don't you agree that Galileo is intelligent for asserting that the Earth revolves around the sun?
    Ever heard of "figurative" speech? I guess when you say that your woman's eyes are like limpid pools, you actually think her eyes are puddles of water. Jeez.
    The earth revolves around the sun and this does not contradict the Bible in anyway. The next time that you move the earth let me know.
    The bible actually says nothing about the sun actually revolving around the earth, nor does it really speak about astronomy. That belief was professed by the Catholic church because they believed that if God created the earth, it must be the center of the universe.



    It is unfortunate about his having to die for his beliefs, but then, do you grieve for the men and women who have died for being Christian?
    Christians today believe that the earth is round, and that the bible supports this. They have no clue about what the early church taught or believed. They simply aren't aware that by the standards of early Christianity, they are heretics and blasphemers.

    Creationists (6-day creation): Would you know the earth is spherical just by reading the Bible?

    there are 50+ bible verses that refers to the earth as having "pillars", "corners", and "ends", but not a single verse indicating the earth is a sphere.



    some creationists like to point out Isaiah 40:22:

    "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,

    and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;

    that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain,

    and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"



    BUT

    1) a "circle" is NOT a "sphere".

    2) the same word in the original hebrew text, "chug" that English-users have translated as "circle", is used in 3 or 4 other verses in the bible which CLEARLY do not make sense as a literal "sphere" or even a literal"circle".



    Again, would you know the earth is spherical just by reading the Bible? If not, why do you "know" that God made everything in 6 literal days just by reading the Bible?Creationists (6-day creation): Would you know the earth is spherical just by reading the Bible?
    Do I have to read the Bible to be a Creationist? What about the Quran? :)
    Yes, but let's do this a step at a time...First, I DO NOT speak or read Hebrew, but I DO have a Bible Software program with search capabilities and a Hebrew Old Testament (HOT) built into it. Here is the Hebrew word "chug" as you say:



    ????

    chu?g

    khoog

    From H2328; a circle: - circle, circuit, compassive



    Now, here is Isaiah 40:22 IN HEBREW (HOT):



    Isa 40:22 ????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ??????



    My Strong's and HOT search shows that this location is the ONLY occurance in the HOT of this word....You do NOT specify which version of the Bible you're using, so I'M ASSUMING that wherever else in scripture you say this word occurs, it is the work of translators. There are OTHER WORDS in Hebrew that have similar meanings, they are listed in Strong's as H2283, H2287, H5921, and H2291.



    There are also more modern translations, such as Contemporary English, which use the word "circle" in Numbers 11:24, 2 Samuel 5:23, 1 Chronicles 14:14, Job 16:16, Isaiah 34:15 and Proverbs 8:27...But I'm going to ignore these scriptures for our discussion because they DO NOT use the Hebrew word "chug", and I think they're irrelevant to our discussion.



    Now, if we go over to Job 26:10 in KJV with Strong's numbers, this is how it reads:



    Job 26:10 He hath compassedH2328 H5921 the watersH6440 H4325 with bounds,H2706 untilH5704 the dayH216 and nightH2822 come to an end.H8503



    Here is the SAME verse in MKJV (Modern King James):



    Job 26:10 He has described a circle on the surface of the waters to the boundary of light with darkness.



    Using Strong's, we can see that the word "compassed" in Hebrew is a compound word of "chug" AND H5921....



    Now, modern science tells 4th grade students that the earth is a sphere and rotates around the sun...All the time, as the earth rotates, half of the earth is in light, and half is in darkness....We're agreed so far?



    Ok, now tell me, if you had a BALL in one hand and a flashlight in the other in a dimly lit room, could you DEMONSTRATE that the SHAPE of the line "compassed" upon the ball BY THE FLASHLIGHT, AT THE BOUNDARY OF LIGHT AND DARKNESS is a circle ALWAYS, while you're spinning the ball?



    If you can see this, can you now substitute ANY OTHER GEOMETRIC SHAPE besides the ball, and still have the boundary line between light and darkness shown as a "compassed" circle?



    No, you can't. You have just proven the earth is a SPHERE using scripture and IGNORING Isaiah 40:22.





    Now, regarding those 6 days of creation: I believe the Biblical account is intended by God to be taken literally; and I accept scripture as infallible.



    In the KJV OT, starting in Genesis, the word for "day" is yome; it occurs 1422 times in 1250 verses, according to my Bible Software program. There simply isn't space here to post all the pertinent scriptures, demonstrating the consistency of the use of wording in the language.



    It is a true statement that "yome" can mean a day, a season, or an indeterminate period of time...but it is ALSO true that throughout the OT, whenever "yome" is used WITH either morning OR evening in the same sentence, it is obvious from the context that it is referring to a period of 24 hours; here are a few examples OUTSIDE of Genesis, yet within the Torah (The Torah is simply The Law, or the First 5 books of the Old Testament):



    Exo 10:13 And Moses stretched forth his rod over the land of Egypt, and the LORD brought an east wind upon the land all that day, and all that night; and when it was morning, the east wind brought the locusts.



    Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.



    Exo 19:16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.



    Lev 6:20 This is the offering of Aaron and of his sons, which they shall offer unto the LORD in the day when he is anointed; the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a meat offering perpetual, half of it in the morning, and half thereof at night.



    Each of these verses, written in the SAME language, using the very SAME HEBREW WORDS AS USED IN GENESIS, by the SAME author, in the SAME part of the Bible as Genesis, leave NO DOUBT as to a 24 hour day...There are far too many more examples to post; Why would the creation week be the ONLY place that these words represent something DIFFERENT?



    To interpret differently is to use linguistic gymastics, ignore the rest of the text, and quite preposterous. Why would we pick a few sentences to make exception to common sense?



    It is very unfortunate in 2008, there are people and entire websites built around attempts to destroy the credibility of the Bible...Most of them attempt it without the slightest idea of what they are really talking about.



    Now, let's keep talking about this Hebrew language of the OT; there is NO PUNCTUATION in Ancient Hebrew!!??%26amp;$#@%* Whenever the writer wished to EMPHASIZE something, using ALL CAPS wasn't an option, neither was underlining or exclamation points....How was it done??



    Repetition, repetition, repetition...And 3 times repetition is maximum. This is probably why the Bible says God is Holy, Holy, Holy (Isaiah 6:3). It states in Genesis:



    Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

    Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

    Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

    Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

    Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

    Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.



    Remember, 3 times repetition is maximum in Hebrew, yet in Genesis, "yome" is used with morning AND evening, for ALL 6 days...This is DOUBLE emphasis to the max by using both morning and evening, and repetition SIX TIMES. Such emphasis, clarity, and repetition is used nowhere else in the Old Testament, I'd say God REALLY wants us to get this.



    There is also sound science to confirm this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=… This video is about 29 minutes long and presents scientific peer reviewed, court unrefuted evidence of the age of the earth. Of course, this is very inconvenient to atheists/evolutionists.



    Once we have established creation week as a week in the sense we know of, Sunday thru Saturday, it is simply a matter of math to do the geneaolgies in Genesis 5, 11, and Matthew 1 to realize just how close Bishop Ussher is/was. The begats do NOT have gaps; they're just not all listed in the same chapter.



    I know there is disagreement among mature Christians regarding this; and I gladly concede it is NOT necessary for salvation to agree upon the age of the earth....But it is exciting to me as a Christian to see the Truth of God's Word revealed; and I think it helps us mature as Christians to realize the Bible STARTS OUT with hermeneutic truth.



    Hermeneutical's first definition is PLAIN or LITERAL, and Genesis' truth is very simple and plain... I would remind skeptic Christians that the word "parable" is used consistently PRIOR TO a parable in the New Testament; and Genesis as a book is NOT classified by scholars as Poetry, it is part of the Torah, or Law.



    Therefore the poetic use of language such as metaphor, hyperbole, allegory and simile are not used and DO NOT APPLY. You are free to disagree with my opinions; you have just been given a mental tour of a fundie, and my opinions are based in scripture. Thank you for reading.



    John the BaptistCreationists (6-day creation): Would you know the earth is spherical just by reading the Bible?
    No, and there is no "proof" God is real. I just have faith.



    God bless.
    No one's answering because none of them own a computer yet. Technology like all change is the work of satan.Creationists (6-day creation): Would you know the earth is spherical just by reading the Bible?
    Flat earth idea didn't come from the Bible. Just look up in the night sky and you can see that everything is round. On some nights you can actually see the curve of the moon without any magnification. The Greeks were the people who took the flat earth belief and ran with it. They were supposed to be the smart people of their time. Kind of like some think they are today.



    Stick with the Bible, you won't go wrong. This argument claiming the Bible supports a flat earth is as old as the flat earth belief itself.



    Debunked long ago.
    You are playing word games.



    The "circle" of the earth refers to its roundness. You would have to be really daft not to know this. Even when I was a little kid I knew what it meant.



    The term "pillars of the earth" refer to the columns of the earth's crust which rise thousands of feet from the earth's floor to support the continents. That's common sense.



    To this very day we refer to the "ends" of the earth, refering to the furthest points of the earth, and the "four corners of the earth", refering to the directionals of north, south, east and west. If you are trying to disuade us from believing the Bible with your nonsense, it won't work.
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  • Would it make more sense for Young Earth Creationists to simply say, "We acknowledge that science & tons of...?

    ...evidence suggests (to most other people) that we are wrong about the age of the earth and topics like the theory of evolution -- but we are simply choosing to TRUST OUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE over the claims of science and the non-biblical evidence."?



    (After all, isn't the YEC position really one of epistemology and authority AS PRIMARY while the science is seen as secondary to the primary?)



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    OPTIONAL:



    * Wouldn't such a statement be a better strategy of honesty which everyone could understand (even if most would disagree)?



    * Wouldn't it be more honest and intelligent that the "deny the evidence" strategy and even the "lie for Jesus" strategy?



    I thought about this after reading statements by Answers in Genesis scientist Dr. Jason Lisle [one of the few truly credentialed scientists among AiG and YECs, having a PhD from a top university} who has said something like, "Even if all the science was indisputable, I would still stand on whatever the Bible says." (Indeed, it was Lisle's original quote along that line that has made Dr. Richard Dawkins go apoplectic about that mindset and quote it quite regularly as the viewpoint of the YEC movement in general. Of course, Christians like me would point out that Dr. Lisle's biggest problem is his failure to admit that his INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE [which differs from that of most Christians on various important passages] might not match what the Bible actually SAYS -- which is why he is only the latest in a long line of Christians over the centuries who endorsed ridiculous views which Christians would later scoff at and admit "The Bible never claimed any such thing as [flat earth, sun orbits the earth, earth sits on actual pillars, etc.]" Christians have usually come to the conclusion that their past interpretations were flawed or even arbitrary -- even though they seemed convincing to themselves at some time in the past.Would it make more sense for Young Earth Creationists to simply say, "We acknowledge that science %26amp; tons of...?
    Yes, but those freaks are not interested in being honest. They are literally in the business of selling lies to gullible people. They want to keep people gullible and they know that science can educate people and make them less gullible. That's why they attack science because science is destroying their market.
    It would be equally ignorant, so I'm not sure what difference it would make.

    Edit: I love the cartoon, Dreamstuff ;) I put it on my atheist facebook group.Would it make more sense for Young Earth Creationists to simply say, "We acknowledge that science %26amp; tons of...?
    Creationists are on God's side.
    im hungry nowWould it make more sense for Young Earth Creationists to simply say, "We acknowledge that science %26amp; tons of...?
    http://i.imgur.com/LTpDd.png
    It might make more sense to you, but not to them.



    Just because science may have insurmountable evidence doesn't mean that you should or could throw out what the bible teaches. It isn't just about the story, that maybe flawed, but the teachings. Old and New Testaments.



    I generally believe the stories are the best rendition to what they actually observed, and were able to communicate via oral traditions through out the ages. That doesn't diminish the importance of the teachings embedded in the story. To fight over the semantics of who is right is missing the importance of each! What teachings does the science community bring to bettering the life of mankind.
    I would tend to say that the more "modern" reinterpretations of what the Bible says are likely to be incorrect in light of when they were written. I have no doubt that Jews and Christians prior to modern times took their books of the Bible as completely literal as that is how they are written. Reinterpreting them in light of what we now know seem to be desperate attempt at rationalizing a believe in something known to be wrong.



    However, it would be better if YECs would recognize the difference between their beliefs and what science shows. This would/should limit the scams of creationist books, DVDs and "museums."
    Science has the advantage of being true, testable and verifiable.



    Giving young earth creationist a seat at the conversation is like inviting a five year old to a whisky tasting. They cannot handle it, can add nothing to the conversation and it is or should be illegal.



    Plus getting a young earth creationist drunk with knowledge is going to make them sick and ruin the party for everyone.

    Earlier I was asked to provide an inaccuracy in the bible - will these do ok?

    The earth has four corners (Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1);

    The earth has ends or edges (Job 37:3);

    The earth rest on pillars (1 Sam. 2:8);

    The earth was formed out of and by means of water (2 Peter 3:5 RSV);



    unicorns (Deut. 33:17, Psalms 22:21. 29:6, Job 39:9-10),

    satyrs (Isa. 34:14, 13:21)

    fiery serpents (Num. 21:6),

    and flying serpents (Isa. 14:29, 30:6



    No errors huh? Perfectly accurate huh? Please.Earlier I was asked to provide an inaccuracy in the bible - will these do ok?
    I just goto the skeptics annotated bible. It usually provides plenty of fodder for such questions.Earlier I was asked to provide an inaccuracy in the bible - will these do ok?
    No



    Iraqi's have a brighter future!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jht鈥?/a>Earlier I was asked to provide an inaccuracy in the bible - will these do ok?
    For anyone who has ever read great literature or had any sort of education these passages should give rise to thought, not convince them that unicorns exist. It's called symbolism.

    You can't take everything literally. The Bible is full of allegorical stories, analogies, similes, metaphors and other techniques that make God's word beautiful and original.
    Try Evilbible.com

    What evidences can Christian provide to me that Bible is free of Handy Works?

    i got a question for all Christians.



    first Christians’ faith is based on human words means what ever Paul Luke Mathew John Mark and Peter said 300 years after Jesus (PBUH) disappearance they believe it.



    every Christian in the world believe that the Bible is changed altered and Corrupted by humans even though its not permited in the Bible.



    “. . . If any man shall add to these things (or delete) God shall add unto him the plagues written in this Book.” (Revelation 22:18-19)



    But who cares! They do not really believe! The Protestants have bravely expunged seven whole books from their Book of God!.



    and also there were dozens of Gospels like The Gospel of Mary The Gospel of Thomas …



    SO HERE IS MY QUESTION.



    DO YOU CHRISTIANS ATTRIBUTE THESE ERRORS IN THE BIBLE TO GOD Almighty?



    Error No. 1. Light was then before the source of light Genesis 1:3:5 and 14:19



    Error No. 2 - Day came into existence before creation of Earth. Genesis 9:13



    Error No. 3 - Earth came into existence before Sun. Genesis 1:9:13 and Genesis 1:14:19



    Error No. 4 -Vegetation came into existence, before sunlight Genesis 11:13 and 14:19



    Error No. 5 - The earth Will it perishes or will it abide forever? Psalm 102:25:26 contradicts in Psalm 78:69 and Ecclesiastics 1:4



    Error No. 6 - The earth has got pillars. Samuel Job and Psalm



    Error No. 7 - The heavens have got pillars. Job 26:11



    DO YOU CHRISTIANS ATTRIBUTE THESE ERRORS IN THE BIBLE TO GOD Almighty?What evidences can Christian provide to me that Bible is free of Handy Works?
    You need to study more. You are so wrong. But I do agree that people over the years have changed the Bible, taking away and adding their own theory. I read and study only the true Authorized King James version. And yes, there were 12 disciples plus many others who recorded about Jesus. You just have to be careful about fakes.
    We will make those corrections in some future editions.





    .What evidences can Christian provide to me that Bible is free of Handy Works?
    You can add all you want, the Bible is to be taken line upon line, verse upon verse



    The Quran came what 600 yrs later, and before it was wrote down, it was passed from mouth to ear for generations, we all know that if I was to make a statement, pass it to the left, let this statement go through, oh lets say 50 people, that by the end of the day, I will not have the same statement that I started off with.



    Now, If God is correct in all things, then tell me, Why the Quran when it changes alot of things in the Bible and the Torah
    Did you get these errors out of a book, or did you study the Bible so thoroughly that you came up with these all by yourself? I am just wondering because there are many huge, thick books out there with the uncountable discrepancies of the Bible.What evidences can Christian provide to me that Bible is free of Handy Works?
    I believe the true Word of God has been preserved. Psalm 12:6-7. The fact that someone chooses not to believe it based on their own logic does not change that. Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and I know them. When you accept him you'll know his words when you hear them.
    Picky, picky picky! What are a few itsy - bitsy typos here and there, eh?
    Where did you get the idea that the Gospels were written 300 years after Christ?



    The four official Gospels have been dated to the 1st Century.



    The Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Thomas and many others were not written until the 4th Century, but they were never part of the Bible anyway and are not considered authentic.



    Islam claims that the Bible has been changed and is not reliable, but Moslems do not even have an original copy of their own Qur'an.



    Their holy book written down from "memory" (and a few scraps found under a bed ) and was not written down until about 150 - 200 years after Muhammad died.!



    Why did 'Uthman feel the need to destroy all the copies of the Qur'an?



    Why did Ibn Ma'sud refuse to hand over his copy for destruction?



    How do we know that 'Uthman's copy was better than any of the others?



    There are Hadiths which refer to suras which are not in the modern Qur'an. Surely this indicates that the Qur'an has changed since the time of these Hadiths?



    It is therefore impossible to know for sure what Muhammad did or didn't say since there are no original written records to compare the official version against!





    If the Qur'an truly is uncorrupted, why does the Muslim world not publish the oldest Qur'an manuscripts? What is there to hide?
    So many errors in the question. Where to start? First, The scriptures have not changed, despite those who wish they would. The oldest manuscripts largely agree with modern translations, though none are perfect due to non aggressive things like language. The Greeks had four words for love, each denoting a separate form of love. English has only one word to cover the whole thing.



    Errors 1-4 depend on your point of view. From the earth, you would not have been able to see the sun begin for the stuff in the sky. Vegetation begins in the ground away from all sunlight. Outside of earth, planetary rotation determines night and day and our star, the sun, provides light from dark.



    Error 5 the bible speaks of earth in different contexts. There is the planet which will last forever and there is earth, the people on this planet or the political systems which will perish. Which one depends on the context. You learn that by reading more than just the one scripture.



    Error 6,7 pillars show stability to the ones reading it. Obviously not real literal pillars. The Bible shows it knows what is going on in Isaiah 40: 22 where it shows earth to be round as a circle and Job 26:7 where it hangs on nothing. It took educated man almost 5,000 years to prove that.



    So no, I do not attribute these errors to God, but men not bright enough to read anything but what words they can cling too.

    Why do Flat-earthers consider themselves Bible literalists, and why do they still think the Earth is flat?

    "If the Bible said it's flat, then it must be flat..." is an answer I got from a Flat-earther, but I personally think Flat-earthers misinterpreted the Bible...



    Samuel Rowbotham supported the notion of a flat Earth, based on literal interpretation of certain biblical passages. After Rowbotham's death in 1884, his followers established the Universal Zetetic Society. In 1956, Samuel Shenton took over the Universal Zetetic Society, which would later become the Flat Earth Society. The Flat Earth Society took the position that the Apollo Moon landings were a hoax, because the photos of Earth taken from Apollo 8 was spherical and not flat. The Flat Earth Society still exists today under president Daniel Shenton...



    These are Bible references that the Flat Earth Society think supports the notion of a flat Earth, because if taken literally, according to Flat-earthers, the Bible says the Earth is a flat circle, the Earth has ends, edges and four corners, the Bible tells about a tree so high that it was visible from the ends of the Earth, the Earth is set on pillars and cannot move, I personally think Flat-earthers misinterpreted the Bible, what do you think?



    Isaiah 40:22: He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth...

    Isaiah 11:12: ...the four quarters of the earth.

    Revelation 7:1: ...I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth...

    Job 38:13: ...that it might take the earth by the edges...

    Jeremiah 16:19: ...the nations will come from the ends of the earth...

    Daniel 4:11: The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth.

    Psalm 93:1 and Psalm 96:10: ...the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved...

    Psalm 104:5: He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.

    Job 9:6: He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble.

    Job 38:4: "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.

    Job 37:3: He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.

    Job 28:24: for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.

    1 Samuel 2:8: For the foundations of the earth are the LORD's; upon them he has set the world.



    Sources:



    Flat Earth Society - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society

    Flat Earth - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

    The Flat-Earth Bible - http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htmWhy do Flat-earthers consider themselves Bible literalists, and why do they still think the Earth is flat?
    First of all, wow you did some thourough research!

    Secondly; I think that the flat-earthers know what they want to believe, and they interprate the Bible to support that. I feel that if they wanted to believe differently, they would interprat differently. The terms edges and ends of the earth are not very literal; the earth still has ends, a circle has a top and a bottom. It doesn't have definite edges, but there's no saying what God can do in the Bible.

    So I agree, they misinterprate to support their own ideas.
    I don't know anyone who thinks this and I know a lot of Christians. I guess some people don't understand figures of speech. The Bible has a lot of poetry and figures of speech in it, and so does our modern day writing, too.Why do Flat-earthers consider themselves Bible literalists, and why do they still think the Earth is flat?
    Flat earth, Creationism; talking donkeys; 4 legged insects - yes the bible is a wow for grasping the nature of the real world.
    Ignorance can be cured, stupidity is often terminal.Why do Flat-earthers consider themselves Bible literalists, and why do they still think the Earth is flat?
    Well, flat-earthism fits right in with talking donkeys and snake-handling.
    I have always considered those thought to come from idiots,

    it sure is not bible.
    Because they're really really stupid!!
    They are the left behind in education
    I wonder if any of them have ever heard of a satellite. I could not even watch TV without one.
    Because they're about 600 years behind in science
    And Jesus said "I will separate your sins as far as the East is from the West"



    That is not flat.
    I just read a great article recently that show how the bible has always been ahead of scientific discovery. It gave so many examples of scripture saying things WAY before science confirmed it. If I can remember the name I will leave it in the comment box.
    @ The real truthseeker



    The earth doesn't move relative to us. If you are on a train that is moving at 50mph, relative to you, the train isn't moving. Actually everything around you is moving at 50mph in the opposite direction.





    Anyone that thinks that the earth is flat, based on whatever the Bible says is deluded and needs to go back to school. A flat earth cannot explain the seasons, day and night, or explain the fact that you don't need to go via England to get from America to Japan.
    I spent a few days on their forum. They believe the Earth is flat because the Bible says it is.



    There is more than what you put there including things from the New Testament.

    It clearly says you can see it all off a mountain. That only works if it's flat.



    Matthew 4:8-9

    The devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee.
    You haven't presented the half of it.



    Let's see. According to Ecclesiastes 1:5 the sun actually goes around the earth--as, of course, it must, since, according to Ps 93:1, Ps 96:10, and 1 Chr 16:30, the earth does not move. And the earth cannot move because, according to 1 Samuel 2:8 and Ps 75:3, it is placed on pillars. And because it is placed on pillars, it has an underside and an upper side, as confirmed by Isaiah 40:22 which indicates that the earth is a flat disk.



    (If earth were a sphere it would not have an under side and an upper side. The Hebrew word translated as "circle" in Isaiah 40:22 is chuwg, which means "circle" not "sphere." Strong's Concordance: "circle"..."describe a circle." Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament: "Circle...the earth conceived as a disc, Is 40:22." Hebrew-Aramaic and English Lexicon of the Old Testament: "draw round, make a circle." If a sphere were meant, the Hebrew word duwr would have been used.)



    Since the biblical earth is flat, it has an underside and under the earth is the abyss, which is referred to several times in the Bible. That is also what is being referred to in Job 26:7 when it says that the earth hangs over nothing. Job 26:7 implies that the earth has an upper side and an underside, which the actual earth does not have. (The original Hebrew word translated as "upon" in that passage in the KJV also means "over.") The actual sphere of the earth in space is not "suspended' or "hanging" "over" or "upon" nothing. It is orbiting the sun at 66,700 miles per hour.



    There are several other verses in the Bible indicating the earth is flat. Nebuchadnezzar's vision in Dan 4:10-11 clearly indicates the earth is flat (if it were not flat the tree could not be seen from all the earth), and Dan 2:28 states that the visions of Nebuchadnezzar are from God. If the biblical god says the biblical earth is flat, it must be flat.



    The original Hebrew word translated as firmament is raqiya. That is a noun derived from the Hebrew word raqa, which is a verb meaning "to beat out." That term is used in the bible in reference to beating out metal into plates or expanses of the metal (as in Exodus 39:3). So raqiya, as a noun, would literally mean "that which is beaten out."



    The idea is that the firmament, or sky, is a solid, beaten out expanse or vault set on the rim of the flat disk of the earth. The firmament holds back the waters that are above the firmament, as stated in Genesis. If the firmament were not solid, it could not hold back the waters.



    This understanding is confirmed in Job 37:18, which states:



    "Can you beat out the vault of the skies as he does,

    hard as a mirror of cast metal?" (New English Bible. .)



    There, the Hebrew word translated as "beat out" (or "spread out" in other versions) is, as noted above, raqa.



    Also, the stars in the biblical cosmos are just lights set in the firmament. As mere lights in the sky, they will fall to the earth in the Last Days (Matt 24:29), something that is ridiculous considering the actual stars are other suns and many times larger than the earth.



    Some might say that the language of such things is just poetic allusion. If that is so, how does one determine what is allusion and what is not? Even if it is poetry, that does not mean that it cannot reflect what the writers of the Bible actually believed. And if the Bible is the word of god and god does not lie, would he make statements that are not factual even if they are in the form of poetry? Moreover, the above descriptions provide a coherent, structurally consistent view of the biblical cosmos and that view is consistent throughout the whole Bible.



    So, if god is not a liar, and the Bible is god's word, then the present, modern-day view of the cosmos is totally wrong.



    On the other hand, if one fully accepts the modern, present-day view of the cosmos as factual, then one would have to conclude that either god is a liar or the Bible is not the word of god.



    Added:



    @Lotak: "Anyone that thinks that the earth is flat, based on whatever the Bible says is deluded and needs to go back to school. A flat earth cannot explain the seasons, day and night, or explain the fact that you don't need to go via England to get from America to Japan."



    I'm not sure why you addressed that to me. I'm not saying the earth is flat. I'm saying that, according to the Bible, the earth is flat, and there is absolutely nothing in the Bible to indicate that the earth is a sphere.

    Will I go to Hell, if I don't believe that the Earth is flat?

    "If the Bible said it's flat, then it must be flat..." is an answer I got from a Flat-earther. Flat-earthers consider themselves Bible literalists, but I personally think Flat-earthers misinterpreted and took the Bible too literally...





    Samuel Rowbotham supported the notion of a flat Earth, based on literal interpretation of certain biblical passages. After Rowbotham's death in 1884, his followers established the Universal Zetetic Society. In 1956, Samuel Shenton took over the Universal Zetetic Society, which would later become the Flat Earth Society. The Flat Earth Society took the position that the Apollo Moon landings were a hoax, because the photos of Earth taken from Apollo 8 was spherical and not flat. The Flat Earth Society still exists today under president Daniel Shenton...





    These are Bible references that the Flat Earth Society think supports the notion of a flat Earth, because if taken literally, according to Flat-earthers, the Bible says the Earth is a flat circle, the Earth has ends, edges and four corners, the Bible tells about a tree so high that it was visible from the ends of the Earth, the Earth is set on pillars and cannot move, I personally think Flat-earthers misinterpreted and took the Bible too literally, what do you think?





    Isaiah 40:22: He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth...


    Isaiah 11:12: ...the four quarters of the earth.


    Revelation 7:1: ...I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth...


    Job 38:13: ...that it might take the earth by the edges...


    Jeremiah 16:19: ...the nations will come from the ends of the earth...


    Daniel 4:11: The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth.


    Psalm 93:1 and Psalm 96:10: ...the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved...


    Psalm 104:5: He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.


    Job 9:6: He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble.


    Job 38:4: "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.


    Job 37:3: He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.


    Job 28:24: for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.


    1 Samuel 2:8: For the foundations of the earth are the LORD's; upon them he has set the world.





    I believe in God, I believe that Jesus is the son of God, I believe that Jesus is our savior and he died for our sins, but I don't take the Bible completely literally, there are parts of the Bible which can be taken as literal, and there are parts that should be taken as metaphorical, especially if it contradicts science, I'm not saying the Bible is false though, I take a literal and metaphorical approach to Scripture, like St. Augustine, he took the view that the Biblical text should not be interpreted as properly literal, but rather as metaphorical, if it contradicts what we know from science and our God-given reason, particularly when the Scripture in question is a book of poetry and songs, not a book of instructions or history; while each passage of Scripture has a literal sense, this "literal sense" does not always mean that the Scriptures are mere history; at times they are rather an extended metaphor. The writers of the Scripture wrote from the perspective of the terrestrial world...|||Expressions such as 'the ends of the earth' and 'four corners of the earth' are still in common usage today and mean the same as they have always done...Simply North, South, East, West, or the entire earth.





    The bible stated at Isaiah 40:22 that the earth is 'a circle', thousands of years before science was able to prove it. Science learns from God's creation; God is the teacher, science is the pupil, not the other way round. Therefore Christians believe in scientific fact, because true science is the examination of God's creation.





    Of course Christians would not believe in something such as the myth of evolution, which is science fiction rather than science fact; it's supporting evidence is non-existent, it is a scientific impossibility, and it is easily disproved beyond all reasonable doubt.





    But the bible is in harmony with modern-day science in stating that the earth is 'a circle'. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say the earth is flat, or that any Christian believed it to be so.





    "The claim that people of the Middle Ages widely believed that the Earth was flat was first propagated in the 19th century and is still very common in popular culture. This claim is mistaken, as Lindberg and Numbers write: "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference.."|||believe what you want, modern day science has proven that the earth is a sphere. If you want to believe that your going to hell for accepting that, then you can believe that. Or you can believe that your god is ok with you accepting modern day science. your choice...|||Some one told me a long time ago,if it looks like bull,smells like bull and has the taste of bull the chances are that it is bull.|||You are confusing literal (as the text intends to be read--poetry as poetry, history as history, etc.) and literalistic (a 'wooden' interpretation whereby the God who takes us under 'His wing' becomes a chicken).|||Yes, because you would be believing in science and Christians don't believe in proven scientic fact, from evolution on down.|||Um, first of all, I'm pretty sure that we have proof that the earth is round...


    and secondly, No you won't go to hell for that. the bible doesn't mean that literally.|||No,I believe your right not EVERYTHING should be taken literally in the Bible.|||Today's churches don't say that you will go to hell if you don't believe that the earth is flat.





    In the past, they did.|||So you just admitted that you ignore Bible verses you don't agree with, the Bible is therefore useless.|||The Bible do not say that it flat.I think the Bible said it is Round or Circle.|||Read Isa, 40:22


    Job 26:7


    Job 38:12, 14|||please tell me that there are not people on this earth that still think it is flat.|||You'll be plucked to death by four legged fowl.|||The Bible doesn't have verses that say the Earth is flat, so don't worry about it.|||You cannot go to hell. Hell does not exist.|||you need to try and relax. you had way too much coffee. Jesus loves +flat earthers+ too. lol|||God used to think He made the Earth flat, but now He knows better|||No, but you will go to hell if you reject JESUS.|||Ps.103: 12As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. That does not sound flat does it? In the literal sense of scripture there is a context. Keep this is mind-If the plain sense of the verse makes sense look for no other sense lest your sense become non-sense. ExampleJob 38:4: "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? are not the continents foundation's? What is a foundation? It's a beginning. It's what grounds anything from a thought to a process. Without a good foundation things crumble, no matter what it is. Context!|||I didn't bother reading all your stuff. But everyone goes to hell. Hell is just the common grave. Nothing more. Only dead people go to the grave. Not live ones. Once dead, a person knows nothing, can do nothing and have no memory. How would they know if they were burned or not?|||Listen, don't be surprised if someone reports you for "ranting" but just know that it won't be me. My advice is that you start walking the earth... if you fall over the edge then you go to hell for not believing... if you keep walking in the same direction (for example...westward) %26amp; you wind up where you first started... then you have nothing to fear. Something tells me you won't have anything to fear.|||I'm as religious as the next guy (if not more so) but, in all honesty, only an idiot and a fool would believe that the world is flat.





    Believing that the world is flat is like believing that gravity doesn't exist, which is like believing that heat travels spontaneously from cold to hot.





    Seriously.......Earth = (almost) spherical.





    I'd love to hear any religious (or non) person try to explain the seasons, day and night and the time zones using the notion that the Earth is flat.|||Neither Christianity nor the bible teaches hellfire. Christendom teaches it by twisting the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. The English word hell is translated from the Hebrew word sheol and the Greek word hades. Both words mean grave, not a place of torment. To claim that a God of love would burn people forever defames God's character.





    There was a time in history when the Isrealites imitated the Cananites. They began sacrificing their children in the fire to the God Molech. God's response?





    (Jeremiah 7:31) . . .And they have built the high places of To鈥瞤heth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin鈥瞡om, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.鈥?br>




    Notice that such a thing didn't even come into God's heart. He couldn't say that if he were doing the same thing on a grander scale.





    We can not ignore what the bible says about the condition of the dead either.





    (Ecclesiastes 9:5) For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, . . .





    (Ecclesiastes 9:10) . . .All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She鈥瞣l, the place to which you are going.





    Does this mean there is no hope for the dead? The dead will receive a resurrection into God's new world as soon as God destroys this present Satanic system of things -- political, religious, and commercial. Then Jesus will rule from heaven and the resurrection will begin.





    (Job 14:14-15) . . .If an able-bodied man dies can he live again? All the days of my compulsory service [time in the grave] I shall wait, Until my relief comes. You will call, and I myself shall answer you. For the work of your hands you will have a yearning.





    (Psalm 37:29) . . .The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.





    Those who respond favorably to Jesus' rulership will be considered righteous and live forever. The rebels will suffer the second death, forever asleep.





    Fire in the bible symbolizes destruction. Everlasting fire represents everlasting destruction from which there is no resurrection.








    Cheers|||Christianity in general does not insist on a literal reading of everything, though there are smallish vocal groups who do. The Orthodox Church, for one, with its 2000 years of history with this precious book the Bible, recognizes that some places are figurative, and some literal. The Bible is not a science book,and is written from the viewpoint of what we see and what has been revealed. It's not wrong to say the sun sets, because it appears that it does. It is not wrong to say the earth is flat *in some contexts* -- it's relative.





    So, to answer your question: No. There are lots of things that will land you there, but believing the earth is not flat isn't one of them.|||There is a real art and science to interpreting the Bible. Of course there are going to be metaphores and similies which could be misinterpreted but we need to try to understand it in the same way as the intended audience would have interpreted it.





    If I say to you, "it's raining cats and dogs outside, and I just stepped in a poodle," as an English speaking person you would know this is a figure of speech, and not to be taken literally. However, if you were not familiar with the English language and you translated it to Russian, it may take on a very different meaning than what I had intended for the hearer to understand.





    Likewise, it is NOT good to try to interpret the Bible in a wooden, literal sense. It makes no sense taken that way.





    By the way, nowhere does the Bible declare the earth is flat. In fact it says it is a "circle" (there was no Hebrew word for "sphere" apparently) and that it is suspended by nothing out in space.

    Did the Flat Earth Society misinterpret the Bible?

    Samuel Rowbotham supported the notion of a flat Earth, based on literal interpretation of certain biblical passages. After Rowbotham's death in 1884, his followers established the Universal Zetetic Society. In 1956, Samuel Shenton took over the Universal Zetetic Society, which would later become the Flat Earth Society. The Flat Earth Society took the position that the Apollo Moon landings were a hoax, because the photos of Earth taken from Apollo 8 was spherical and not flat. The Flat Earth Society still exists today under president Daniel Shenton...

    Source:

    Wikipedia article about the Flat Earth Society http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society



    Medieval Christianity did not believed in a flat earth, but the Hebrew Bible carried forward the ancient Middle Eastern cosmology, which described a flat earth with a solid roof, surrounded by water above and below...



    The Biblical references that the Flat Earth Society thinks supports the notion of a flat Earth, because if taken literally, the Bible says the Earth is flat, has four corners, has ends, possibility of falling of the edges of the Earth, about a tree so high that it was visible from any place on Earth, the Earth is set on pillars and cannot move, I personally think the Flat Earth Society misinterpreted the Bible, what do you think?



    Isaiah 40:22: He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth...

    Isaiah 11:12: ...the four quarters of the earth.

    Revelation 7:1: ...I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth...

    Job 38:13: ...that it might take the earth by the edges...

    Jeremiah 16:19: ...the nations will come from the ends of the earth...

    Daniel 4:11: The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth.

    Psalm 93:1 and Psalm 96:10: ...the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved...

    Psalm 104:5: He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.

    Job 9:6: He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble.

    Job 38:4: "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.

    Job 37:3: He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.

    Job 28:24: for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.

    1 Samuel 2:8: For the foundations of the earth are the LORD's; upon them he has set the world.

    Sources:

    Wikipedia article about the flat Earth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

    The Flat-Earth Bible: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htmDid the Flat Earth Society misinterpret the Bible?
    Yes. Anybody who tries to read the Bible as 100% literal, will always misinterpret it.Did the Flat Earth Society misinterpret the Bible?
    No, the earth is a Triangle surrounded by a Rhombus supported by a Trapezoid. Of course the Bible doesn't say the earth is flat. In the 4th Century BC the Greek's missed the circumference of the earth by a few hundred miles.



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