Daniel 4:10-11;The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth.
Matthew 4:1-12;"The devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them"
Revelation 7:1;After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on the earth or sea or against any tree.
Revelation 20:8;and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
1 Samuel 2:8; for the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them.
Job 9:6;who shakes the earth from its place, and its pillars tremble.Do "young earth" Christian fundamentalists still also believe the Earth is flat because it's in the Bible??
What Im wondering is how fundamentalists can say that the bible is the word of god and it is all true, but then when they are confronted by discrepant info they argue that that bit is metaphor...well then...ok, maybe it's all metaphor? But, no... that's right...it's the word of god...so it has to be true...except for when it conflicts with undeniable evidence...then it's a metaphor...
too convoluted and inconsistent for me
Christianity DID believe the earth was flat at the time of Galileo...he nearly got burned at the stake for saying otherwise
he had to take it back to save his skin
If the earth has four corners, then it is built on a plane and cannot be a sphere. Spheres have either no corners or an infinite number of corners.
This means the Sun, the planets, and everything in the universe revolves around the earth; and anything which teaches otherwise teaches the damnation of the devil.Do "young earth" Christian fundamentalists still also believe the Earth is flat because it's in the Bible??
No we do not believe the earth is flat and the scriptures you used does not mention the earth is flat at all.
The four corners means the whole earth not that its flat.
One can see you have never read the bible and just grabed any word that appeared to be talking about the earth being flat.
Isn't there something in there ,vaguely, about creation of a greater light (the sun) and a lesser light (the moon).
Do creationists teach that the moon is not a light, but a reflector of light?
EDIT:
Ahh.. here it is
Genesis 1:16, which reads: "God made two great lights -- the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars."Do "young earth" Christian fundamentalists still also believe the Earth is flat because it's in the Bible??
This isn't a very good point. I like the whole geocentricism argument instead. Especially since we have direct quotes from both the Vatican and Martin Luther saying that anyone who believed that the earth traveled around the sun is going to hell.
In my Opinion:
Amazing how Galileo was Threatened with Death by The Religious of the day....
For Stating The World was a Globe!!!
The 'Believers' then, Obviously thought it Flat...
Wonder where they got that Idea then!?
The Bible!!!
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It seems not everybody understands the difference between a circle (flat, round) and sphere (3D, round).
I wonder if they know the difference between a square and a cube.
1) why do you care what Christians believe? (It's nice you think about us, though).
2) nothing in the verses you mentioned say that there is a flat Earth. You're grasping at straws.
The Bible doesn't talk about the earth being flat. The language used in the scriptures you quoted is figurative.
The Bible also speaks of the circle of the earth. That means round to me.
This is speaking figuratively, not literally. I thought anybody would understand that.
It may not say flat but it defiantly describes square.
Amazing the excuses they have .
Its a proven fact that the earth is round and back then they had know idea what we know now so why does everyone pick apart the bible that was done before us. (were you there??)
Are you a flat earther?
Interesting to note that God referred to his world as being a sphere (Is. 40:22) centuries before the greatest minds of Columbus' day thought it was flat.
This was just before the Reformation. People couldn't yet read the Bible in their own language, or they would have straightened the contemporary geniuses minds out.
If you take a globe and cut it opened and lay it flat on a table, you'll notice that the world has four corners. (brilliant isn't it?)
So now we have the Bible talking about the 200 million man army coming from China at the end of the age. (Rev. 9:16) And the coming of a cashless society where you cannot buy anything without the 'market of the beast'. (Rev. 13:16-17) Of course It will once again take the Christian to straighten out the contemporary brilliant minds of our spiritually blind intellectuals.
We won't take the credit for this. We will give all the Glory to our God, and his son Jesus Christ.
But when He comes, will He find FAITH on the earth?
The 4 corners are referring to the 4 cardinal directions you historical genius you, and the first verse you posted from the book of Job is actually a metaphor, or perhaps you think that mankind was so primitive in that era that he would not be able to understand the concepts of metaphor and satire?
You accuse Christians of denying scientific facts (The Big Bang Fact? sorry, havent read that book. Perhaps you can point me to it for my 'enlightenment) yet you take the Bible out of context in an effort to discredit our claims.
Heres an idea. Try reading the Bible in the context of which it was written and then present an argument.
remember what they did to galileo? because they were following the Bible. and yes the Bible says it's flat, what you say is proof.
so God who created the earth himself thinks it was flat? absurd.
the only conclusion is that the Bible is not the word of God, it can't be.
and even if it said the earth was round: when you read the Bible, it just does not feel like God talking. New York Times feels a lot more like God.
The bit about the circle of the Earth means nothing, as a circle is NOT a sphere.
They did indeed believe the Earth was flat. The verses above prove it, especially the ones about the pillars and shaking earth by its edges.
The contradiction is, is it a circle, or is it a square with four corners?
As far as sitting above the circle of the earth and seeing all, well, if it's a flat circle, you can do that. If it's a round sphere, you can't see all sides at once, no matter from how far away or any angle. One side will always be hidden. That is geometry. Or is math as unimportant as science?
Remember that long ago all the continents were one big one?
No, the Bible doesn't say the earth is flat.
It says that at one point people during the end times will be sleeping in one part of the earth and working in another part.
You can't have that great a difference without time zones.
This was after the continents separated...
You can't underline the word "flat" in any of that because it's not there. Having four corners is figurative, not literal. It actually means east, west, north, and south.
In Isaiah 40:22, it implies that the earth is round. "He [the Lord] sits enthroned above the circle of the earth" ... .......... This allows for the concept that the earth is a sphere.
Cheers!
Look idiot those are all metaphors for the end times. They dont suggest the earth is flat. Even with the earth flat that doesnt neccesarily mean its in the shape of a square.
bible never say's "flat" don't add it says:
Isaiah 40:22:
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth"
last I checked a circle is "round" a sphere.
none of those verses say anything about it being flat. that is assumptions made by people like you.
1. The Bible never says that the Earth is flat.
2. Job 38 is one of the coolest passages in the whole Bible. Ever read the whole chapter? God (who is speaking here) isn't literally saying to "take the Earth by its edges and shake the wicked out of it." He is simply illustrating that Job, a mere man, doesn't know more than He does.
3. People STILL say "ends of the Earth," like it's said in Daniel. It doesn't mean they think the Earth is flat.
4. The passage in Matthew describes a supernatural, not natural, event.
5. People still say "corners of the Earth." In Revelation, it's talking about the four points of the compass. This is obvious from the fact that the angels hold back the four winds.
6. As for 1 Samuel and Job, I don't know where you've been, but the Earth IS supported by a "pillar." We call it the invisible axis. I don't see how this is saying that the Earth is flat.
The idea that the majority of people EVER believed that the Earth is flat is a myth. You may find allusions to it in figurative language in literature, but nothing beyond that. Most people believed that the Earth was round. See Isaiah 40:22.
Edit: And I know that it was all of the atheists who can't STAND when Christians answer a question addressed to THEM who gave all the thumbs-down and decided to gang up on the question, but I would like to add that you guys aren't as smart as you think you are.
Galileo was NEVER imprisoned for believing the Earth was round. It was already well-established by then. Geez, not only are many of the atheists who answered biblically illiterate, but they're ignorant of history. Galileo was first imprisoned for his belief in heliocentrism, was released for a time, did his research, then he was finally put on house arrest for making fun of the pope who was kind enough to sponsor his research. And if ANY of you would exercise that "critical thinking" that you're so proud of having, you would know all this!
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