Saturday, February 18, 2012

Will I go to Hell, if I don't believe that the Earth is flat?

"If the Bible said it's flat, then it must be flat..." is an answer I got from a Flat-earther. Flat-earthers consider themselves Bible literalists, but I personally think Flat-earthers misinterpreted and took the Bible too literally...





Samuel Rowbotham supported the notion of a flat Earth, based on literal interpretation of certain biblical passages. After Rowbotham's death in 1884, his followers established the Universal Zetetic Society. In 1956, Samuel Shenton took over the Universal Zetetic Society, which would later become the Flat Earth Society. The Flat Earth Society took the position that the Apollo Moon landings were a hoax, because the photos of Earth taken from Apollo 8 was spherical and not flat. The Flat Earth Society still exists today under president Daniel Shenton...





These are Bible references that the Flat Earth Society think supports the notion of a flat Earth, because if taken literally, according to Flat-earthers, the Bible says the Earth is a flat circle, the Earth has ends, edges and four corners, the Bible tells about a tree so high that it was visible from the ends of the Earth, the Earth is set on pillars and cannot move, I personally think Flat-earthers misinterpreted and took the Bible too literally, what do you think?





Isaiah 40:22: He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth...


Isaiah 11:12: ...the four quarters of the earth.


Revelation 7:1: ...I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth...


Job 38:13: ...that it might take the earth by the edges...


Jeremiah 16:19: ...the nations will come from the ends of the earth...


Daniel 4:11: The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth.


Psalm 93:1 and Psalm 96:10: ...the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved...


Psalm 104:5: He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.


Job 9:6: He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble.


Job 38:4: "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.


Job 37:3: He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.


Job 28:24: for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.


1 Samuel 2:8: For the foundations of the earth are the LORD's; upon them he has set the world.





I believe in God, I believe that Jesus is the son of God, I believe that Jesus is our savior and he died for our sins, but I don't take the Bible completely literally, there are parts of the Bible which can be taken as literal, and there are parts that should be taken as metaphorical, especially if it contradicts science, I'm not saying the Bible is false though, I take a literal and metaphorical approach to Scripture, like St. Augustine, he took the view that the Biblical text should not be interpreted as properly literal, but rather as metaphorical, if it contradicts what we know from science and our God-given reason, particularly when the Scripture in question is a book of poetry and songs, not a book of instructions or history; while each passage of Scripture has a literal sense, this "literal sense" does not always mean that the Scriptures are mere history; at times they are rather an extended metaphor. The writers of the Scripture wrote from the perspective of the terrestrial world...|||Expressions such as 'the ends of the earth' and 'four corners of the earth' are still in common usage today and mean the same as they have always done...Simply North, South, East, West, or the entire earth.





The bible stated at Isaiah 40:22 that the earth is 'a circle', thousands of years before science was able to prove it. Science learns from God's creation; God is the teacher, science is the pupil, not the other way round. Therefore Christians believe in scientific fact, because true science is the examination of God's creation.





Of course Christians would not believe in something such as the myth of evolution, which is science fiction rather than science fact; it's supporting evidence is non-existent, it is a scientific impossibility, and it is easily disproved beyond all reasonable doubt.





But the bible is in harmony with modern-day science in stating that the earth is 'a circle'. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say the earth is flat, or that any Christian believed it to be so.





"The claim that people of the Middle Ages widely believed that the Earth was flat was first propagated in the 19th century and is still very common in popular culture. This claim is mistaken, as Lindberg and Numbers write: "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference.."|||believe what you want, modern day science has proven that the earth is a sphere. If you want to believe that your going to hell for accepting that, then you can believe that. Or you can believe that your god is ok with you accepting modern day science. your choice...|||Some one told me a long time ago,if it looks like bull,smells like bull and has the taste of bull the chances are that it is bull.|||You are confusing literal (as the text intends to be read--poetry as poetry, history as history, etc.) and literalistic (a 'wooden' interpretation whereby the God who takes us under 'His wing' becomes a chicken).|||Yes, because you would be believing in science and Christians don't believe in proven scientic fact, from evolution on down.|||Um, first of all, I'm pretty sure that we have proof that the earth is round...


and secondly, No you won't go to hell for that. the bible doesn't mean that literally.|||No,I believe your right not EVERYTHING should be taken literally in the Bible.|||Today's churches don't say that you will go to hell if you don't believe that the earth is flat.





In the past, they did.|||So you just admitted that you ignore Bible verses you don't agree with, the Bible is therefore useless.|||The Bible do not say that it flat.I think the Bible said it is Round or Circle.|||Read Isa, 40:22


Job 26:7


Job 38:12, 14|||please tell me that there are not people on this earth that still think it is flat.|||You'll be plucked to death by four legged fowl.|||The Bible doesn't have verses that say the Earth is flat, so don't worry about it.|||You cannot go to hell. Hell does not exist.|||you need to try and relax. you had way too much coffee. Jesus loves +flat earthers+ too. lol|||God used to think He made the Earth flat, but now He knows better|||No, but you will go to hell if you reject JESUS.|||Ps.103: 12As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. That does not sound flat does it? In the literal sense of scripture there is a context. Keep this is mind-If the plain sense of the verse makes sense look for no other sense lest your sense become non-sense. ExampleJob 38:4: "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? are not the continents foundation's? What is a foundation? It's a beginning. It's what grounds anything from a thought to a process. Without a good foundation things crumble, no matter what it is. Context!|||I didn't bother reading all your stuff. But everyone goes to hell. Hell is just the common grave. Nothing more. Only dead people go to the grave. Not live ones. Once dead, a person knows nothing, can do nothing and have no memory. How would they know if they were burned or not?|||Listen, don't be surprised if someone reports you for "ranting" but just know that it won't be me. My advice is that you start walking the earth... if you fall over the edge then you go to hell for not believing... if you keep walking in the same direction (for example...westward) %26amp; you wind up where you first started... then you have nothing to fear. Something tells me you won't have anything to fear.|||I'm as religious as the next guy (if not more so) but, in all honesty, only an idiot and a fool would believe that the world is flat.





Believing that the world is flat is like believing that gravity doesn't exist, which is like believing that heat travels spontaneously from cold to hot.





Seriously.......Earth = (almost) spherical.





I'd love to hear any religious (or non) person try to explain the seasons, day and night and the time zones using the notion that the Earth is flat.|||Neither Christianity nor the bible teaches hellfire. Christendom teaches it by twisting the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. The English word hell is translated from the Hebrew word sheol and the Greek word hades. Both words mean grave, not a place of torment. To claim that a God of love would burn people forever defames God's character.





There was a time in history when the Isrealites imitated the Cananites. They began sacrificing their children in the fire to the God Molech. God's response?





(Jeremiah 7:31) . . .And they have built the high places of To鈥瞤heth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin鈥瞡om, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.鈥?br>




Notice that such a thing didn't even come into God's heart. He couldn't say that if he were doing the same thing on a grander scale.





We can not ignore what the bible says about the condition of the dead either.





(Ecclesiastes 9:5) For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, . . .





(Ecclesiastes 9:10) . . .All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She鈥瞣l, the place to which you are going.





Does this mean there is no hope for the dead? The dead will receive a resurrection into God's new world as soon as God destroys this present Satanic system of things -- political, religious, and commercial. Then Jesus will rule from heaven and the resurrection will begin.





(Job 14:14-15) . . .If an able-bodied man dies can he live again? All the days of my compulsory service [time in the grave] I shall wait, Until my relief comes. You will call, and I myself shall answer you. For the work of your hands you will have a yearning.





(Psalm 37:29) . . .The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.





Those who respond favorably to Jesus' rulership will be considered righteous and live forever. The rebels will suffer the second death, forever asleep.





Fire in the bible symbolizes destruction. Everlasting fire represents everlasting destruction from which there is no resurrection.








Cheers|||Christianity in general does not insist on a literal reading of everything, though there are smallish vocal groups who do. The Orthodox Church, for one, with its 2000 years of history with this precious book the Bible, recognizes that some places are figurative, and some literal. The Bible is not a science book,and is written from the viewpoint of what we see and what has been revealed. It's not wrong to say the sun sets, because it appears that it does. It is not wrong to say the earth is flat *in some contexts* -- it's relative.





So, to answer your question: No. There are lots of things that will land you there, but believing the earth is not flat isn't one of them.|||There is a real art and science to interpreting the Bible. Of course there are going to be metaphores and similies which could be misinterpreted but we need to try to understand it in the same way as the intended audience would have interpreted it.





If I say to you, "it's raining cats and dogs outside, and I just stepped in a poodle," as an English speaking person you would know this is a figure of speech, and not to be taken literally. However, if you were not familiar with the English language and you translated it to Russian, it may take on a very different meaning than what I had intended for the hearer to understand.





Likewise, it is NOT good to try to interpret the Bible in a wooden, literal sense. It makes no sense taken that way.





By the way, nowhere does the Bible declare the earth is flat. In fact it says it is a "circle" (there was no Hebrew word for "sphere" apparently) and that it is suspended by nothing out in space.

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