Monday, January 30, 2012

Atheists, what are you favorite plot holes in the best selling novel of all time?

My top three are probably:



1. That the earth is a flat disc, which is rested upon pillars.

2. That earth never moves, and the sun and all other celestial bodies revolve around it.

3. The fact that the age of the earth falls quite a bit short of the projected 4.54 billion years that has come to be accepted within the scientific community. (By quite a bit, I'm talking almost 4.54 billion years short of the projected 4.54 billion years)



How bout you guys?Atheists, what are you favorite plot holes in the best selling novel of all time?
Christians seem to think it is OK that God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!



Killing commanded

Ex 32:27

Killing forbidden

Ex 20:13



Robbery commanded

Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36

Robbery forbidden

Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15



Lying approved and sanctioned

Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22

Lying forbidden

Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8



Slavery and oppression ordained

Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8

Slavery and oppression forbidden

Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
Dude, here again you have a completely wrong understanding of what scripture says, and you're showing your ignorance.



The Bible doesn't say the earth is a flat disc. It doesn't say it's rested upon pillars. (In fact, it says that the earth hangs on nothing.)



The Bible doesn't say that the earth never moves. This was a claim of some Catholic bishops and the Pope who failed to understand scripture properly and superimposed their own understanding of the world over their understanding of scripture. The Bible never makes such a claim.



We've already discussed your error on the supposed 6,000 year old age of the earth (but you deleted that question.)



You're amazingly, impressively, astoundingly wrong on all of these claims, and seemingly enjoying your ignorance.



Why not look this stuff up on your own?



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Interestingly, the Bible advocates a creation story that is entirely consistent with the Big Bang, but people will concentrate on the failure of the Pope to accept Galileo's discoveries and ignore the Bible's accuracy on things even bigger than Galileo imagined.Atheists, what are you favorite plot holes in the best selling novel of all time?
It's not a plot hole, but I find it interesting that Matthew tell us that when Christ was crucified, there was darkness all over the land for three hours, and "the earth did quake, and the rocks were rent, and many of the saints came out of their graves.



A series of events spoken of so strange, so unusual and so extraordinary that, had they occurred, they must have attracted the attention of the whole world -- especially the amazing scene of the sun's withdrawing his light and ceasing to shine, and thereby causing an almost total darkness near the middle of the day.



How many accounts do we have from historians of that time which mention this phenomenon, so terrible and so serious in its effects as literally to unhinge the planets and partially disorganize the universe... that's right, approximately zero.
The fact that Jehoiachin was both 8 years old and 18 years old when he became king;



2Ki 24:8 Jehoiachin [was] eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name [was] Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.



2Ch 36:9 Jehoiachin [was] eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did [that which was] evil in the sight of the LORD.



Or that Ahaziah was both 22 years old and 42 years old when he became king



2Ki 8:26 Two and twenty years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name [was] Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.



2Ch 22:2 Forty and two years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also [was] Athaliah the daughter of Omri.Atheists, what are you favorite plot holes in the best selling novel of all time?
Those are hardly holes for a book that never was intended for a science text or factual account. By playing the literalists' games, you lower yourself to their level. All the sacred literature of mankind, from the Homeric Hymns to Popul Voh, to the Mahabharata and much, much more has great value. Myth has wider shoulders than mere fact to carry a greater burden of truth. We are, after all, a story telling species.



Why would you want to lower yourself to the lowest common denominator of believers?
Here's mine:



On the first Easter morning, the visitors to the tomb were greeted by:



a) A young man (Mark 16:5)

b) No, no, it was no man, it was an angel (Matthew 28:2-5)

c) You're both wrong, it was two men (Luke 24:4)

d) There was nobody there (John 20:1-2)
The bible says that the highest heavens can't contain him (god), so I don't get how theists claim that "sin" is caused by someone turning away from god, how can you turn away from an infinite being if he's all around you? It just doesn't make any sense and the bible's full of crap like that.
It's funny really, how people say the bible is not to be taken literally, but i mean of course when it's in your best interests you can take it literally. Look guy, i don't really think you understand what exactly figurative language is, but you really have to stop.
My favorite is in the first two chapters.



-Man and woman are created at the same time

-Man is created, woman is created from his rib



Why is the story told twice?



Then despite it all being 'good' he decides to wipe everyone out after a bunch of begatting.
I rather like the responses to the plot holes:



"You're misunderstanding the scripture!"



So I suppose the thousands of clergy all "misunderstood the scripture" when they threatened to burn anyone who said the earth was not the center of the universe.
Mine is the whole "God is just" part, because it ignores all the times he punishes people for someone else's crime and occasionally even "harden's [their] heart" so the commission of the crime is unavoidable.
God is all loving and merciful, yet he created hell.

God speaks of forgiveness yet he created hell.

He is all powerful and all knowing, yet he created hell.
The central character, YHVH, has no attractive qualities. A writer has to give his reader some reason to like or at least root for his protagonist. YHVH has none.
the "god loves everyone" part, unless you're atheist, black, or gay
The first sentence.



I don't belief in magic, end off.
The fact that some of us have 115 years to 'repent', and some have 14. It's just so lovingly fair.

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